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Entropy’s
Great... Oversights, PART 2
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SECTIONS
Entropy’s Great...
Oversights
The Second Law of Thermodynamics
Oh, My Ergodic Hypothesis...
Brownian Motion,
“Brownian Entropy” and “Entropo-dynamics”
The “Arrow of Time”
Entropy as
“Disorder”
A Gedanken Experiment
Thermodynamic
Equilibrium
“Time
Reversal”
“Hyper-Dimensional”, “Hyper-Topological” Time
Digression: Maxwell’s
Demon
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“The Arrow of
Time”
Physics is currently in the midst of a passionate
affair with the concept of the “arrow of
time”. It shows up everywhere, and it is very
popular among non-scientists, too. Physicists point out that we don’t see
all the molecules of air in a room move to one half of the room, just as
we don’t see shattered cups reforming themselves into whole cups.
Actually, some
scientists even refer to several “arrows
of time”.
For example, Stephen Hawking refers to three arrows of time, the
“thermodynamic”, the “psychological”, and the “cosmological”. [S.
Hawking, A Brief History of Time,
p. 145.]
There are many synergizing...
oversights here, too.
We will start by looking
again at the “Brownian
entropy” model we started looking at above.
Here are some plots of some
state trajectories in some ergodic processes that give a very crude idea (and probably misleading
idea if we e.g. try to study the distributions of changes thinking they
are of a thermodynamic nature) of what entropy fluctuations might
look like in an isolated system. As might be expected, the functions spend
an “overwhelming” amount of time at-near the maximum “entropy”.

Figures 2a-e. Example trajectories of various ergodic processes.
If
we examine a plot of an ergodic entropy function with time, allowing time to
extend so that we see at least a few examples of the lowest entropy states
being re-attained from the highest, we see... that’s right, we see entropy
reversing over what might be a “longish period of time”. We will be able
to find an arbitrary “starting” state with a high entropy and a companion
“end” state, one with a low entropy, in the direction of increasing time, and
when we draw the “arrow of
time” we will get it pointing in the opposite
direction to the one we are used to.
In fact, we didn’t need to
introduce the concept of “Brownian entropy”
to find this “arrow of time” pointing in
the opposite direction, since just the ergodic hypothesis is sufficient to
do that. But it helps to introduce it early, because the idea needs
getting used to, and because there is much more to the story that concerns
it.
Additionally (and this goes
for purely ergodic analyses as well), in the
plots
above (and, without the careful study that is needed, we don’t know if this
is thermodynamically misleading) we notice that the “down sides of the
valleys” look like probabilistic mirror images of the “up sides of the
valleys”. If we plotted increasing time from right to left instead of our
usual left to right, we wouldn’t be able to tell the difference just by
looking at the plot. I.e., if we pick a point on the curve where entropy
is increasing, and then we “reverse time” and find entropy decreasing
(which is roughly how the “arrow of time”
got gedankened in the first place), we will see entropy decrease
for perhaps only a short while,
but it will eventually increase, perhaps a lot; and further, if we happen to plunk
down our point where entropy just happens to be decreasing...
In any case,
if we keep looking, we will eventually lose our “arrow of time”
to the statistics of the fluctuations.
It is very likely that when we (successfully) model
the distributions of both short term (femtoseconds to days) and long term (to say, 1030 years)
Brownian “entropodynamic” fluctuations, we will find them to be symmetrical in
time. If we find them to be asymmetrical, then we may again have a
candidate for an “arrow of time”.
Relatedly, it may turn out to be easy to prove mathematically that any “Brownian
process” is an ergodic process, although it is easy to exhibit ergodic
processes that are not Brownian. (A “Brownian process” might want to allow
the systemically distributed Brownian “particle” to be immediately kicked
back in the opposite “direction”, in the sense of having a non-zero
probability of re-achieving the previous state — which state
therefore cannot be the usual micro-state of momentum, etc. —
as opposed to re-achieving merely the previous value of the state
function.)
There is another issue worth raising, a paradoxical one. Pick any of the
plots above and gedanken a horizontal line
anywhere in the plot. Notice that the number of times it crosses the
entropy curve when entropy is decreasing is within 1 of the number of
times that it crosses it when entropy is increasing. Notice also that
when we select our sample in this manner,
we find that decreasing entropy is equally as likely as increasing
entropy! I.e. the sum of the increases and decreases is necessarily a
strict 0! The mathematics of this, which most of us are familiar with,
tells us that it could hardly be any other way.
(Is there a standard resolution to this paradox? Yes,
of course. The above graphs-plots do not tell us what would happen if we
started in every possible state, let’s say at a
given level of entropy. To do so, of course, tends to distinguish every
possible micro-state instead of lumping them statistically in a
macro-state. But what we get will —
“probably” — be that almost all of these
states will exhibit increasing entropy. But when we follow one particular
trajectory of an ergodic system, we must per force get numbers of
decreases and increase that differ at most by 1.)
In any case, all this should remind us of
that ultimate truth:
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SECTIONS
Entropy’s Great...
Oversights
The Second Law of
Thermodynamics
Oh, My Ergodic Hypothesis...
Brownian Motion, “Brownian
Entropy” and “Entropo-dynamics”
The “Arrow of Time”
Entropy as
“Disorder”
A Gedanken Experiment
Thermodynamic
Equilibrium
“Time
Reversal”
“Hyper-Dimensional”, “Hyper-Topological” Time
Digression: Maxwell’s
Demon
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Entropy as
“Disorder”
Our intent is to open the “cosmos” of worms of “time
reversal” (a Gedanken Convenience Concept
mistaken for something else). But first we will
take a relevant detour through the cosmos of... oversights of the
concept that entropy and disorder are really the same (effectively, or
more formally, that “entropy measures disorder”). We will find that “order”
is a completely “subjective” concept, since “order”
as an “objective” concept has rather serious... inconsistencies.
THE STANDARD ENTROPY-DISORDER
“RELATIONSHIP”
CONCEPT
We will first look at the
standardly accepted scientific concept of the relationship between entropy and order. Take a look at Figure(s)
3:

3a
3b
3c
Figure 3abc.
Assume that the black and white areas represent volumes
of 2 different kinds of gas particles (e.g. molecules-atoms of an ideal gas)
held apart by a barrier which can be removed without effecting either the
entropy or the order. (Or we could assume that one of the areas represents a vacuum.) At the instant of the removal of the barrier, Figure
3a corresponds to a low entropy-high order (-low disorder) arrangement
(sometimes called a “macro-state”) of those particles. A low entropy-high
order arrangement is standardly considered to correspond to an
“arrangement” (we could also say “macro-arrangement”) which has a low
probability in the sense that it is 1 of a class of
relatively few
other “micro-arrangements” with which it is considered to be equivalent.
(“Arrangements” because it has a different meaning; notice that things
start to get confusing; thermodynamics gets very complicated.) I.e.
if we only had two particles and both were in the upper half of the volume
(and implicitly, if all micro-arrangements or micro-states with both of
them in either half were considered equivalent), then such an arrangement
would be less probable than one with 1 particle in the upper box and 1 in
the lower. There is “1” way (“1”
is a very strange number) to put them both in the upper box, “2”
ways to put them 1 to each box.
In this way, Figure 3b corresponds to a medium
entropy-medium order arrangement (as the particles mix), and Figure 3c
corresponds to the highest entropy-lowest order arrangement of the 3 (with
the mixing at “equilibrium”), and with certain obvious modest assumptions
and limits, also corresponds to the highest possible entropy arrangement in this situation,
with the highest possible disorder. If the particles were atoms of a gas,
arranged as in Figure 3b, they would reasonably quickly, by human
standards, rush to an arrangement like that in Figure 3c (especially if
e.g. the white space actually represented a vacuum instead of a different kind
of gas particle), and not that
of Figure 3a.
This concept of order is standardly held to correspond
(completely) to thermodynamic entropy (i.e. “thermodynamic entropy” is
said to be a “measure” of “disorder”), which is held by the 2nd law of
thermodynamics to increase monotonically in any isolated system (i.e. it
does not decrease although it may increase only very slowly). Thus,
increasing thermodynamic entropy is standardly held to mean increasing
disorder, whereas wider variance in distribution (as in Figure 3a) is held
to mean higher order since it has fewer arrangements that give rise to it.
Our physicists (e.g.
Richard Feynman) say things like “entropy measures disorder” and
“the cosmos always goes from ‘order’ to ‘disorder’, so entropy always
increases.”
That is the standard scientific concept of the
relationship (scientifically considered necessary) between entropy and disorder in a very tiny
nutshell. We will look a bit further at our concept of “disorder”.
OTHER VIEWS OF ENTROPY-DISORDER
Figure
4abc.
In Figure(s) 4 we see 3 arrangements of vertical lines. Which of the 3
arrangements is the “most
ordered”? Which is the “least
ordered”?
A “common
sense”, “subjective”
classification would have 4a
(leftmost) as the “most disordered”
(notice how it looks “chaotic”, as in
chaos theory), and 4b (center) as the “most
ordered” (least “chaotic”).
But science’s
current standard concept of “order”
as corresponding to “lower
entropy”
(in the accepted sense of “fewer
micro-arrangements giving rise to the macro-arrangement”)
says that 4a is the “most
ordered”,
4c (rightmost) is “more
disordered”
than 4a but “more
ordered”
than 4b. The arrangement 4b is even “maximally
disordered”
as there is no way for it to become “more
disordered”.
If you find yourself saying that arrangement
Figure 4a is
really only 1 of many “disordered”
arrangements that must all be considered together, and these arrangements
when taken together are greater in number, and therefore both more highly
probable and therefore more highly
entropic not to mention more dis-ordered, than
4b, you should look at 4a again, carefully, very very carefully.
If you looked at 4a again very carefully, you will have
noticed that it has a certain “order”
that suggests that it not be classified as “disordered”.
Hint: look at length of the smallest lines, and calculate the length of
the other lines using that as the unit length.
Especially note how our sense of how the arrangement was generated affects
our judgment of whether it is “ordered”
and “disordered”.
Would it make any difference if the line lengths went something like: 2,
8, 2, 8, 1, 8, 2, 8, 4, 5, 9, 0...?
Because a particular
macro-arrangement like
Figure 4a
doesn’t mean anything to us, we lump it together with all other such
macro-arrangements that don’t mean anything to us, thus getting a large
number of them (since there isn’t much that does mean anything to
us). Things that don’t mean anything to us seem to be “disordered”.
The number of micro-arrangements that make up this huge lump of
unmeaningful macro-arrangements is quite a bit larger than the number that
make up a similar lump of more meaningful macro-arrangements like
Figure
4b, and is thus “disorder”
is more likely, statistically, just as entropy is. Thus we find
statistical
mechanical support for the idea that increasing entropy and increasing
disorder are equivalent... and inevitable. But this lumping is
inherently
subjective in nature, and we are reminded yet again that “there are lies,
there are damn lies, and then there are... statistics.”
The Emperor’s New
Clothes: “order” and “disorder” (and “chaos”) can now be seen to be subjective concepts, and
distinctly not scientific ones.
Now we can understand better the seeming paradox of
Figure 4abc. If we think of
arrangement 4a as temperatures or as water levels, they come to
equilibrium at the level in 4b with both increasing thermodynamic entropy
and increasing combinatoric entropy. But which
looks more ordered?! “Common sense” says that 4b looks
more ordered than 4a, just as the calm ocean looks more ordered than the
chaotic stormy one. Whenever we have our own particular order, any
“inappropriate” change in it seems to produce
dis-order, whether there is increasing or decreasing
entropy, complexity, or what have you.
I personally think that
the entropy-disorder fallacy arose because, emotionally, we saw entropy as
casting away stones that we had carefully gathered together and laid up as
treasure, thus “destroying order”, and because we were reacting
emotionally, we ignored that entropy also restored order, like dissipating the storm on the
ocean. (Some people refer to “emergence” and such terms.) We have such
terrifyingly powerful emotions about “order” and “chaos” (just as we do
about “God” and “freedom”). But the nightmare isn’t over yet. What we will
find by the time we finish analyzing entropy-disorder is The Emperor’s New
Fall Fashion Line!
Note that scientifically we
tend to confuse micro-arrangements with arrangements, micro-states with macro-states.
We (scientifically) think “disorder”
or “entropy” is a property of the
micro-state (i.e. the actual state of the system), when it is actually
only (and only perhaps) a property of (our context sensitive evaluation
of) the macro-arrangement-state, e.g. of
the implicit selection process that went into the choice of which
micro-arrangements-states fall in the class and-or classification of that
macro-arrangement-state. We (scientifically) think that the selection
process is “objective” instead of “subjective” because... well, because we
refer to physical attributes, we
use numbers, even... statistics, we...
all because we fail to notice the inherently subjective nature of our selection
process. What universe do we select, to then select
a subset, from which we select a further subset... which we subject to...
statistical analysis? And how far do we try to extrapolate the results?!
When we extrapolate using the results
of a statistical analysis, we
rarely notice that we not only “go out” of the selection on which the
statistics were based, we often go out of the selection from which they
were selected, often even out of the originally selected universe. (Time
tends to take us out of all these simultaneously in a “never the same
river twice” sort of way, but again, as scientists we fail to notice this.) Each “going out” increases the error terms,
often exponentially, almost always invisibly to our science. (Einstein’s
relativity uses the concept of “manifold”
where a similar process of extrapolation from “infinitesimal” “locally
Euclidean regions” to “global levels” of the manifold also yields
potentially exponentially increasing error terms, again scientifically
unnoticed.)
All through this situation
with the conjoined-twin concepts of “disorder” and “entropy”
run the conjoined-twin concepts of “probability”
and... “statistics”.
The probabilistic nature of
the micro-arrangements or micro-states, the subjective nature of the
selection (e.g. the criteria there for) of which micro-states are considered to make up a
macro-state, all these and more should remind one, when contemplating “disorder”
and “entropy”,
of (repeated, for more “emphasis”):
“ORDER” IS A COMPLETELY
“SUBJECTIVE” CONCEPT
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Relevant Digression: If you are wondering why all the
quotes for “subjective” and “objective”, it is
because both these concepts are themselves “subjective”, even though
science holds them to be “objective”. By this time this last should make
sense.
(All other quotes probably indicate a similar attempt to remind the reader of the
ill-defined nature of the beasts thus caged.)
We cannot escape it:
But, it won’t hurt to give another
example:
In mathematics, a
random variable can have any possible distribution, even a constant
one. It is not usually noted, so think of this:
by our current scientific concepts
of “entropy”
and “order”, a constant (non-random?!) random variable
has the “lowest
order”, “highest
disorder”,
and of course the “highest possible entropy” of any random variable.
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“Mom, this isn’t a
Disaster
Area;
it’s a Pinnacle of the Highest
Physical
Order!”
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“The more
chaotic
the storm makes the ocean, the more
ordered the ocean becomes?! But this means
that Chaos...
and Order...
?!” Yes...
Questions that help put it all in
perspective:
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Is “complexity”
more “orderly” or more “disorderly”
than “simplicity”?! more “chaotic”?!
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Is “order”
more “complex” or more “simple”
than “disorder”?! than “chaos”?!
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Are “complexity”
and “simplicity” completely subjective
concepts just as “order” and “disorder”
are?!
(We will eventually find that concepts such as “adequate complexity
for emergence” are with regard to implicit subjectively chosen behaviors
we wish to create or observe. I.e. the complexity of a system may be
co-qualitatively-quantitatively adequate for 1 class of behaviors to
emerge, but not others, even if the latter need no more complexity in a
crude sense then the former.)
Enough for now. To reiterate the
obvious:
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Our concepts of “order”
and “disorder”
can not be held to be scientifically “objective”; they are
in fact completely “subjective”.
If nothing else, the selection process that determines which micro-
arrangements-states will be associated with which class(es) of
macro-arrangements-states is itself always completely “subjective”.
and repeating the ever more obvious:
If
you try to offer a different way of looking at the above situations that gives
a contradictory evaluation, you will merely reinforce the demonstration of the “subjective”
nature of the ostensibly “objective” and “scientific” concepts of “order”
and “disorder”.
For example, if you tried to refer to the “objective” nature of the
probabilities of certain arrangements as a composite of the probabilities
of the micro-arrangements, one response could-should be (as above) that the categorization
of micro-arrangements into macro-arrangements is itself “subjective”: e.g. just
as in the study of mechanics, we draw our sub-system boundaries in an arbitrary
fashion, i.e. arbitrarily assigning micro-arrangements-states to
macro-arrangements-states. E.g., it is “subjective” whether 2718281828459... and
31415926535... are examples of “disorder”
— highly probable (when taken as a class; selection-statistics again) and interchangeable
(within the class; more selection-statistics) waves on a stormy ocean — or “order”
— unique and non-interchangeable initial sequences of digits in 2
fundamental transcendental constants (if we take such constants as
non-interchangeable; more selection and statistics again).
The foundational nature of the
confusion of entropy and disorder makes it desirable to objectify the
subjective nature of the confusion. A gedanken experiment is in order.
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SECTIONS
Entropy’s Great...
Oversights
The Second Law of Thermodynamics
Oh, My Ergodic Hypothesis...
Brownian Motion,
“Brownian Entropy” and “Entropo-dynamics”
The “Arrow of Time”
Entropy as
“Disorder”
A Gedanken Experiment
Thermodynamic
Equilibrium
“Time
Reversal”
“Hyper-Dimensional”, “Hyper-Topological” Time
Digression: Maxwell’s
Demon
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A Gedanken Experiment
A simple gedanken experiment is
offered below to show the (absolute lack of) correlation between thermodynamic entropy
and disorder, but first:
QUICK SUMMARY
AND EXPANSION
It is currently held as tautological
that increasing thermodynamic entropy means increasing disorder. Our
physicists (e.g.
Richard Feynman) say things like “entropy measures disorder” and “the
cosmos always goes from ‘order’ to ‘disorder’, so entropy always
increases.” We hold “order”, “disorder”, and relatedly, the need to use
energy (power and force) to restore and maintain “order” from “disorder”
to be objective, scientifically based concepts. We hold that entropy
always increases in the cosmos, or rather, that it increases in any
isolated system (a system with no matter or energy transport into or out
of it), and the cosmos, being all there is, is by definition an isolated
system (standard physics).
Among other things, as we saw above, scientists use this concept of (strictly)
monotonically increasing entropy to give us an “arrow
of time” since we
notice things breaking and mixing (or whatever) and when we reverse the
movie we have made of them mixing, it shows an un-breaking and
un-mixing (or un-whatever) that we do not see — at least not
often — in real life.
This is also the “reversibility-irreversibility of time” question-concept
that is so popular now, and the answer currently given to it.
A SIMPLE BUT
CRUCIAL GEDANKEN
EXPERIMENT
There is a simple gedanken experiment that shows that
“disorder” and “entropy” cannot relate in the way that science holds that
they do:
The Entropy-Disorder Gedanken Experiment
In an isolated system, place one small
(Earth-sized) planet, and, on its surface, place a pint bottle, make
that a quart bottle, of that good English un-homogenized whole milk.
(Sorry, James, shaken, not stirred. The entropy-disorder fallacy should
now be immediately obvious. It is obvious that the gravitational field
of the Earth will do work, but it will be doing it in the context of an
isolated system that comes to “equilibrium”, a Brownian-ergodic
equilibrium to be sure. Why has thermodynamics ignored this almost
completely?! After all, even Boltzmann pointed out that fields are always affecting real world thermodynamic
systems.)
In another isolated system, place a similar planet and another
quart bottle divided by a zero-entropically removable barrier which
separates the top and bottom halves in which are placed two differently
color-dyed waters (let’s make them gedanken
equidensity; again, the entropy-disorder fallacy should be
immediately obvious).
Remove the barrier. As time increases, in the first system the cream and the milk separate while
thermodynamic entropy increases, and simultaneously, in the second system the two
colored waters merge (they may not merge “all the way” depending on
actual densities) while thermodynamic entropy increases.
I.e. in the one system “order” increases with increasing
thermodynamic entropy
while in the other, “disorder” increases with increasing entropy... and
this happens:
regardless of which direction you pick for “increasing”
order or disorder,
and, we might add:
regardless of which direction you pick for time.
Some might still object that in the first isolated system the
gravitational field is doing work which reverses the entropy. This
argument has its validity in open systems where the gravitational field is
outside of the system in question (the milk bottle), but transferring
energy and entropy away from it. This argument also neglects that the
gravitational field is also doing work in the second isolated system. The
traditional view is to look at what happens when “the batteries run down”
and the systems finally attain “equilibrium”. But in our case the final
equilibrium gives us just what was found above. (The concept of
“equilibrium” needs a closer look, which it will get in the
next section.)
It seems to be an extremely absurd set of... oversights, but
the science-physics of thermodynamics has almost completely
ignored the effect of fields on the thermodynamics of systems. (A counter-example from
classical thermodynamics is-are the attractive van der Waals forces
between molecules, which have been studied for some time.) Scientists will
deny this and point at Boltzmann’s
distribution (of large numbers of small particles per unit volume of an
ideal gas as a function of field
derived potential energies of the particles, absolute temperature, etc.;
it ignores the problem of the initial distribution of the particles and
the possibility of potential energy wells that the particles would require
e.g. tunneling to get in-out of), but they certainly left such
knowledge-wisdom out of their reasoning about entropy and disorder.
They also left them out of another picture. This ignoring of field effects shows itself again
in the seemingly paradoxical (and also seemingly... oversighted) case that a temperature gradient
can exist
at equilibrium without a classical
thermodynamic net heat flow along it, paradoxical since
classical-standard thermodynamics still holds it as an
impossibility (despite e.g. Boltzmann’s
distribution). But such a non-zero temperature gradient does occur in the atmosphere of a
planet (even more noticeably in the gedanken atmosphere of a gedanken
planet), along with both a mass-density gradient and
number-of-molecules-density gradient, where the field of gravitational
potential (easiest to think of in Newtonian terms) reduces the kinetic
energies — and numbers, due to Maxwell’s kinetic energy distribution considerations — of particles that move
“up” away from the planet, and increases the kinetic energies of those that move “down”
toward the planet (and thus the average kinetic energies in both cases), but
without classical net heat flow while doing so. (We
should start looking for non-classical
heat flow, taking into account the gravitational
potential.)
This is without a doubt
one or more synergistically interacting Emperor’s New Clothes situations. Once we start actually looking, much
of the fallacy of our concept of entropy-disorder correlation-equivalence
quickly become obvious. We did not sufficiently separate variables, as
happens so often in situations involving inconsistency. We associated
order with a physical arrangement that only associated with entropy in
some situations, and failed to
notice that those some were distinctly not
all situations. Once we notice the Emperor’s New Clothes, we start finding examples
all over the place. When beads of water or mercury join of themselves to
form a larger bead in an isolated system, they do so with increasing
thermodynamic entropy, but decreasing combinatoric entropy. But do they
always do
so with increasing “disorder”? decreasing?!
A common fallacy is to
confuse flat distributions with non-flat or biased distributions. If there
are 10 of yesterday’s newspapers and 10 of today’s, would we think that
there is a 50/50 chance that the first customer will chose yesterday’s
paper? No. It’s an obvious fallacy. But with entropy-disorder, we equivalenced the relative numbers of “equivalent” ways of arranging
particles in different patterns (the flat distribution), which we
associated with “order”, with probabilities of occurrence consistently
correlated with entropy in a physical situation (the non-flat or
biased distribution). Whew...
After performing the
Entropy-Disorder Gedanken Experiment, we notice that it is not merely the
number of “equivalent” arrangements that determines the probabilities, but
system dynamics as well. When we add gravity and density, an intermediate
arrangement like that of Figure 3b
becomes the most likely, or even more like
Figure 3a in the case of our
Gedanken milk bottles with larger density differences. Our common sense of
order and relative order corresponds here to the visual impact of the
arrangements, but (one of) our mathematically based senses of order
corresponds to the system state transition probabilities, which we did so
poorly at determining just now. Many will long shake their heads and
wonder how scientists could have held such generally independent (but
situationally variantly interdependent) concepts to be the same.
Let’s also review again the “arrow
of time” that “time
reversal” ostensibly produced.
Ostensibly, the thermodynamic arrow of time derives from
the fact that we don’t see disorder becoming more ordered in the direction
of time that we experience, but when we reverse time, we
do see
disorder becoming order. This (ostensibly) gives an asymmetry that points
like an arrow in one of those directions. But...
But, the fallacies
start jumping out at us. First of all, our concept of “disorder” and our
concept of the relationship between entropy and “disorder”
both just died an ugly
death, one that does not allow us to use either increasing “disorder” or “order” as an “arrow of time”.
Can we use
thermodynamic entropy divorced from disorder? NO! We saw that
above that an
isolated ergodic-thermodynamic system stochastically cycles eternally
through all possible entropies, in either direction of time!
If there is an “arrow
of time”, it will not consist of an increase in thermodynamic entropy,
since this must also at times decrease, Brownianly and ergodically, nor of an
increase of “disorder” or “order”. So, for our “arrow of time” to exist, there will have to be
something else that makes that
eternal ergodic increase-decrease-increase-decrease cycle asymmetrical.
(E.g. we could have an asymmetrical stochastic “saw-tooth”-like
substance.) The search for this will be very important, even if the results are
negative.
To sum up:
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The
Entropy-Disorder Gedanken Experiment forever lays to rest any
possibility that we can establish a general correlation, let alone a
general equivalence, between
thermodynamic entropy and disorder.
We can still gedanken special
cases where we can obtain a local
correlation or “equivalence” between them, but:
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Our
Scientific (and thus our Social-Psychological) Concept of the Equivalence,
or even Correlation, of Entropy and Disorder is COMPLETELY FALSE.
After a quick, almost digressive, look at the concept
of “equilibrium”, we may be ready to look at “time
reversal”.
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Entropy’s Great...
Oversights
The Second Law of Thermodynamics
Oh, My Ergodic Hypothesis...
Brownian Motion,
“Brownian Entropy” and “Entropo-dynamics”
The “Arrow of Time”
Entropy as
“Disorder”
A Gedanken Experiment
Thermodynamic Equilibrium
“Time
Reversal”
“Hyper-Dimensional”, “Hyper-Topological” Time
Digression: Maxwell’s
Demon
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Thermodynamic Equilibrium
In our gedanken experiment in the previous section, the systems went to
“equilibrium”. But what does that mean, especially if we are dealing with
ergodic systems that repeat every state over and over, forever?
The concept of “equilibrium” is far from
well-defined. In fact it is about as completely subjective as a
“scientific” concept can get. With “equilibrium” we have essentially the
same problem as with our concept of order, except that we have the added
concepts of “change” and the “lack of change” coming into the picture.
Does “equilibrium” mean “unchanging”? Well, yes and no.
We want to mean that some changes eventually stop, and stay stopped (quite
un-ergodically), but at times we also seem to want it to mean
that some changes go on in an “orderly”, or non-“chaotic”, fashion.
Would a single particle in a box (isolated system)
have to be motionless for the system to be at equilibrium? No, we will
probably say that is not necessary.
(Or we may say that
“equilibrium” is a concept that requires a “large” system, i.e. with a
“large” number of particles — as in law
of large numbers from probability theory. There is a concept in
thermodynamics of mean free path, i.e. of how far a molecule travels on
the average before it collides with another particle. One of the
properties of a system at “equilibrium” that would vary with it “size”
would be the mean time to non-“equilibrium”, e.g. the average time till
its entropy deviates Brownianly-ergodically by a subjectively chosen
objective criterion from the system’s “equilibrium” (systemic maximum)
entropy. One example of such a criterion would be that the average time
for the system to regain “equilibrium”-maximum entropy would be less than
a certain amount. This value would be a measure of how large or small the
system was regarding stochastic variability, which could be an important
measure eventually for engineering, especially nano-engineering.)
Does its motion have to be “uniform”? Well,
no. We want to think of particles with mass moving in gravitational fields
as being acceptable in equilibrium systems.
Does the motion
have to be limited to “uniformly accelerated” (as in the case of a 2 body
orbiting system where both bodies move in circles around the focus of an
ellipse)? Not if we mean constant acceleration, since as the
particle moves radially from the center of mass (assuming a very simple
such system) the acceleration changes (extending that motion to elliptical
in a 2 body system).
If whatever changes
happen are cyclical, can we call that “equilibrium”? What about
stochastically cyclical?! as in an ergodic system...???
If what we mean is the eventual
repetition of one of a similar set of states (and therefore at least
stochastically cyclical), then any ergodic system is always
at equilibrium! By the ergodic hypothesis of thermodynamics there is no such thing as
non-equilibrium thermodynamics!
What about the argument that only a non-trivial
subset of the states of an ergodic process are
“equilibrium states”? We then have to select (“statistics”) criteria that will tell us when the
system state exits this set of states, as it will inevitably do. Where do we
draw the “line”? We will do what we always do: we will subjectively pick an
objective set of criteria and apply it... uhh, objectively.
Equilibrium has never
occurred for all of existence as a whole, so we must subjectively select
a subset of everything that seems to us to be doing what it’s doing... uhh, equally,
i.e. that nothing in some important (and selected) set of things is really changing even if everything
else (selected by default) is changing. The criteria
we select are per force selected subjectively, at least at
some stage in the proceedings. For example,
as above, “absolutely no motion”? “uniform motion”? “uniformly accelerating”? You get the idea.
If every molecule in a box had precisely the same
(non-zero) kinetic energy, they would interact in such a way that
Maxwell’s
distribution was attained. It would be interesting to calculate how
quickly that would happen (and how asymptotically).
And just as we have a mean free path concept, we could study how quickly on the
average a molecule of a given kinetic energy attains another given kinetic
energy. Also, mean free path undoubtedly varies with the kinetic energy of the
molecule in question (at the given equilibrium absolute temperature), but how?!
Any very small piece of spacetime has a chance
to look like it’s at equilibrium or not by some set of criteria or other, but the rest of
existence is just waiting to pounce. And at the same time we are hopefully ready
and waiting
to be pounced, to discover these aspects that cannot be fit into our subjective concept of
“equilibrium”.
Now we may be ready to look at “time
reversal”.
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END PART 2
Entropy’s Great... Oversights
(Intro)
Entropy’s Great... Oversights,
PART 1
Entropy’s Great... Oversights,
PART 2 (This Part)
Entropy’s Great... Oversights,
PART 3
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